At 1:44pm on 22 Apr 2009, bScawsby/b wrote: When I was young I read books by Oreste Pinto, a well-known spycatcher of the 1st and 2nd World Wars. He was totally opposed to torture of any kind, not only because it was WRONG, but also because it was ineffective. Tormented people, as any abused child knows, "confess" to anything in an effort to stop the torment. Befriend the person and they'll tell you any b....../b Elsewhere at the BBC. fooc ? Checking out of 'bHotel/b America' ...